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as lawmakers continue to scramble to get a fiscal cliff deal done. rich edson has the latest. rich: they are considering legislation here in the senate today. president obama says he called to talk to congressional leaders, democrats and republicans, last evening. there is no progress here to report. president obama put it all on the house. >> they are operating without the house of representatives. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority to get what they want. if the 250 would be brought up, it would pass overwhelmingly speaking that 250 he is discussing that would keep tax rates where they are for income amount for less than $250,000 increased those earning more. house speaker says senator reed should talk less and legislate more. senate democrats have not. they want to extend all the current tax rates and avoid some of the spending cuts. democrats are on their opening offer. they basically have not moved anywhere. there is less than a week to go. >> senator reid talking about a less than $250,000 limit. speaking right. exactly. liz
if there's a big headline in the washington post, it's fiscal cliff resolved and nothing got done, people would feel better about thin. >> toby, speak to that point. youon'think so, huh? >> was that the pablem strategy, gary? >> that's what we're going to get anyway. >> six months ago we passed on the horrible sequestration things so congress can have time and solve this, where did it get us? nowhere. and there's a reason people don't trust this congress, they haven't earned one eye o iota. >> and got their vacations. let's talk the economy. the economy is right on that precipice. if we were to just take a shot into, you know, the back side here, you know, our consumer confidence has been dropping week by week and we'll get right back into slow growth and tn we'll freak o and do something more stupid. you were smirking, jonas. >> to get to your original question of the stock market, i think if they did nothing, but kick t can an entire year with all of these things and pushed the whole thing the next holiday season and holiday sales like this year, i think the market would go up, wall str
: if we get it done on the fiscal cliff, will we see a selloff in metals? >> i don't believe that we will. europe right now is the safe haven. there's no negative news. by any means, they are not done with all that's going on over there. everything is focused here on the u.s. and the fiscal cliff, and until that is resolved, if it gets resolved, the traders are pulling back, volatility's high, and there's going to be very thin volume in the markets. it's not going to take much to get gold and silver back up. >> well, back to cindy quickly. if we have a deal, is it bullish for oil? she's already gone. i'll ask doreen, you're with us, aren't you? >> i am. volume, today, by the way, 37% below the three month average. could lead to some volatility, but we have not seen that, have we? >> we have not, but vix is up at 19, a little bit higher. the hope is to get more volume here, otherwise, you know, the fiscal cliff is killing everything. everything. these guys don't get it in washington. i don't know why. i hope they come to their senses soon. ashley: nobody knows why, but i'm tired of saying
, everybody, president obama calling on congress just moments ago asking to avoid the fiscal cliff. he said he is moderately optimistic that a deal could be done by december 31. congressional leaders are working on crafting a bill. certainly no grand bargain here that would improve entitlements. if they can't get a deal, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the president's comments. he was very direct. reporter: he was. and now he passes on to the senate. senate majority leader harry reid, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they are trying to come up with something that can pass the house and the senate. the president laid out a proposal earlier this evening. at the beginning of this meeting. $250,000 per year. that income would be shielded from tax increases, and now he wants an extension of unemployment insurance. that is something that essentially a nonstarter in a republ
cliff. david: let's be clear about what he has done and wants to do. he increases 25% of the baseline. if we go over the fiscal cliff, he gets a lot more money. it is not just rich people paying out. he will get a lot more money, so he does want that. he will get a cut into military. if anything goes wrong, he can blame republicans for it. >> right. from his standpoint, it is a win-win across the board to go over the cliff, have the automatic sequester cuts, take the tax increases, go back to the clinton era rates and that when the economy reacts, as it most certainly will, negatively, then he will blame the republicans for putting us into a recession. david: let's put a fine point on that. what we are suggesting here, they call it an outrageous suggestion, that the president is willing to send this country into a recession to get what he wants. you are really saying that? >> i think that he is willing to gamble. i believe that the president and his advisors have looked at the history of congress and they know that when we get a major market of bed, large drop in the stock market, any
the fiscal cliff. the president said he is optimistic. modestly optimistic, that is, that a deal can be done. here is the president. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families and our businesses and for our entire economy. but for immediate action comedy hour is here. it is now. we are now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american paycheck will get considerably smaller. that would be the wrong thing to do. gerri: no kidding. we have been telling you that for weeks. democrats and republicans alike should rename their parties the procrastination party. that is because like a lot of college freshman, they left their work until the last minute. including the 800 billion-dollar fiscal cliff that we have been talking about. a hundred billion dollars it hasn't happened yet. it's notlike the deadline comes as a surprise to anybody at all, the least of all congress. they were the ones who extended the bush tax cuts. originally passed back in 20,122,010 and 2012. for two years now, they have known t
year's resolution is not to go for the fiscal cliff. lori: i will just keep saying and be done. tracy: president obama and the senate back in office, senator harry reid is the latest to say it looks like we are headed to tumble over the cliff. let's check with rich edson with the latest. >> tracy will have to come up with a new term. we will be saying this afternoon years. democrats and republicans deck at each other saying it is your turn to make a move, up to you to move next, no movement on capitol hill, and there was speculation the white house would send a proposal to capitol hill and that has been denied by an aide to the senate majority leader, harry reid taking to the senate floor saying he thinks it looks like we are headed over the fiscal cliff and he hang that on the house. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that is where we are headed the house of representatives, with four days left after the first of the year, are not here with the speaker having told them give them 48 hours notice. i can imagine their consciences, out wherever they are around the country and w
. people have said that economists said concern about the fiscal cliff has already done damage. the economy, according to the cob is certain to fall back into recession and negative growth in the new year. is that higher taxes in a way a death knell for the economy or whole picture, of increased taxes and increased spending and no meaningful deficit reduction? >> we're seeing some effect already. you're seeing that in numbers on consumer confidence, on christmas season spending and business investment in hiring. the higher tacks is not the end of the republic. it is bad for growth. but we can still have a strong economy. but i do think we need to deal with uncertainty of what are taxes going forward. this cliff deal is short-term deal. we need leadership congressman was talking about. i wish it was there i agree with him what we really need going forward. lori: congressman rigell, one last comment from you with regards to confidence in washington of the americans are fed up with the wheeling and dealing in washington and no compromise. is there anything you can say to reinforce our confiden
that we don't have fiscal cliff agreement and even if we go over the cliff but once a deal is done, don't forget the risk appetite back? and that is irish for gold. >> in the last year whenever we had risk oo gold and silver participated, that would be in a healthy fashion as a small market in very little capital flowing into it we saw some influence in terms of price action. i think you do have macro issues driving concerns in the new year. central banks around the world will continue to print the bank of japan being influenced this next year will throw their hat in the ring along with the bank of england and the fed as the print and try to monetize their way to recovery. ashley: you bring up a good point. people buy gold as a hedge against inflation, but also a safe haven against a crisis. we seem to weather the financial crisis very well. we have this fiscal cliff facing us but if you look at inflation and the safe haven, i don't know, those gold fits the mold for those reasons? >> as an inflation hedge it did not keep up in real-time. more reflected today is sophisticated investigat
and that is really the last hope we have to get something done before the fiscal cliff. >> does the minority leader and the senate, do they concur with the house of representatives. because it's eventually going to have to go through the house? >> absolutely. they would remaining in contact. just to make sure that the house would be agreeable to whatever the senate minority leader put out. democrats would have to be apprised of that as well but any agreement is probably going to need democrats in the house of representatives. the house is also working on a number of procedural maneuvers tonight to pave the way for quick votes over the next few days. they are not actively involved in the negotiations but if these two are to get a deal, vice president and senate minority leader the house could do a quick vote. >> two other things, first, if they don't do a deal, what can the average american, expect as far as tax increases? >> the average american could and not up and down the income sale. bush tax cuts created lower tax brackets for lower income americans, so up and down you would see specific tax i
to get a deal done so that i don't have to keep boring people with this term fiscal cliff? >> right. to really get the deal done right you need about 4 troll trillion to get us back on track. that means pro-growth tax reform, entitlement reform and better control of savings of the proposals at this point are not at that level. they're more $2.5 trillion range. we're very anxious to see what the president will put forward in terms of savings and reform. adam: in roughly four days can all of you in washington get this deal done? or is it going to be some kind of a patch with some kind of delay and than we'll deal with the new congress deals with it? >> well, adam i think you're kind of on it there. it would be great if we can get it done. if not let's at least get the framework to set it up and finish it off right away. either way we have to get a deal done before congress gets adjourned or get a deal done in the new congress. there is enough proposals put forward. get the deal we need to get things on track. adam: we should point out i think senator scott brown out of massachusetts l
brews up a bold campaign to get a deal done on the fiscal cliff. details are coming up next. you can never have too much money and a damn good cup of joe. ♪ . ♪ . adam: not so beautiful if you're caught in a blizzard hitting part of the country but that's another story. time for a little fun with spare change. we are joined today by fox ne contributor julie roginsky and our ownennis kneale. first up, if you love country, i don't know if you guys are starbks people -- >> i am. adam: dennis are you starbucks? too bitter. >> you're too sweet. adam: starbucks wants to send a message to lawmakers, notice i ignored that one. message to lawmakers about the fiscal cliff. they're using coffee cups to do the job. the ceo at starbucks is urging starbucks workers and employees in the washington, d.c. area to write on the cups, come together, come together right now. i guess quoting the beatles. thursday and friday. dennis, what do you think?. >> that should fix it. that's all we needed. either conjures up very old beatles cliche or elusive quest in the bedroom. they should cut spending or ra
with speaker boehner to forge some compromise to avert a fiscal cliff which will kick in in six days if nothing isone done. those are the headlines are we talking about is cutting his vacation short in tha and that l well and good. is there anything that can be done because they really seem to be at an impasse before christmms, the republicans in the houseors, imploded and a ve, very tight spot and i suspect if there is to be a deal it'll be a pretty on powering one for all involved. eric: john boehner, putting it up on the screen. $800 billion in tax revenue on the table, allegedly the table, allegedly said you get nothing for free. >> there were a couple of eye-opening quotes. went through the timeline of how went through the timeline of how boehner and the president and that was an big one. boehner print revenues on the table andd the president saying that is what i get out of the gate, you get nothing for that, kind of a bit of a surprise. he also said if we go over the t cliff that threat and boehner, i will use my inaugural address to blame you for tax increases and for the fiscal cliff
.s. market has performed very well. by the time we get done today, especially on the fiscal cliff talks, we're going to be up about 14% in the s&p 500. the leaders in that were, of course, financials, tech and consumer discretionary. they performed very, very well. liz: exactly. we just talked banks. we are 22 minutes from thatt3 closing bell ringing. do you have a sense of where we go in the fist three months of 2012 plus or minus -- 2013, rather? >> i wish i could, but i can almost guarantee you this, we're going to have a lot of volatility the first two months because despite whatever deal we get done today if they get something done by midnight or the first two days of the few congress, we've got a bigger discussion that's looming, and that's on the debt ceiling. so you're going to see the republicans, they're going to cave just to keep the tax increases from going up. but they're going to hold that over the democrats' heads when it comes to the debt ceiling. liz: keith, tell the traders from all of us at fox business we wish you a happy new year. >> will do, and the same to you all. li
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the road and the democrats with spending. something has to be done. >> forget the fiscal cliff stuff and forget the debt ceiling stuff. the fact is that tomorrow morning, the tax rate, the social security tax rate on every american who works is going up. the medicare tax rate on high income people is going up. the tax on medical devices tomorrow morning, is going up. forget fiscal cliff. taxes are going up almost across the board. give me a quick comment on that. >> well, you know what? this has got to be the first time ever that it's december 31st and i have no idea what i'm going to be making tomorrow in terms of take home pay. you know, if you're a businessman, how do you decide what you're going to do with your business this year, you don't know how much you're going to be paying in taxes. if you're a consumer, how do you decide what you're spending your money on in the upcoming year. the level of uncertainty, i think, is unprecedented, and the fact that it's gone on this long is-- i mean, it's insane, it's really crazy. outrageous, that's what it is. kelly jane, just stay there
that here we are again. nothing is being done. we have no resolution of the fiscal cliff h and we are about to hit our heads on the debt ceiling. what you have to say? >> first off, let's remember that the debt limit is no surprise. the surprise is that he shouldn't be surprised. it's his job to keep track of this. and everybody knew that we are going to run out of money in december. apparently except for him. one ofthe big secrets during the presidential election, there were a lot of things that the administration kept from the american people. one of the big secrets was that we would hit this debt limit in december. because of the way they have been spending money for that past year. they have $150 trillion in january, remember? we all talked about that. they have blown through in less than a year. that is problem number one, the spending. gerri: it is absolutely a problem. there is no doubt about that. i tell you that the general public is blaming republicans. 61% say it is the fault of your party, the republicans, your party, but we are about to go over this fiscal cliff. what do you sa
with speaker boehner to forge compromise to avert the fiscal cliff which will kick in in about six days if nothing'ss done. those are the headlines. everyone talking about cutting his vacation short. the question is there anything that can be done? they were at an impasse before christmas, the republicans and house imploded and it's a tight spot. i suspect if there's a deal,t will be unpalatable for everyone. >> there was a interchange before the talks broke wn. we have the quotes. john boehner said to obama, quote, iut $800 billio i tax revenue on the table. what do i get for that? allegedly we understand president obama came back to him and said, you get nothing. i get that for free. you get nothing. >> there were a couple eye-opening quotes. a "wall reet journal" story before christmas that went through the timeline of how this happened between painer and the president -- boehner and the president. boehner put the rough knee on the table and the president saying that's what i get out of the gate. you get nothing for that, which was a surprise to the speaker. he said if we go over the
away before the fiscal cliff deadline, and as many investors scramble to adjust their portfolios, we've got a money manager who says he's got three plays that could yield you 20% no matter what the fiscal cliff resolution ends up being. joining us now is randy warren, warren financial services cio. thanks for joining us. >> nice to be here. thank you. shibani: so right off the top, i would love to know, why is it that etfs you feel can be a little bit more resistant to the waves coming in, the shockwaves coming out of d.c.? >> i think you go for some sectors that aren't necessarily in the crosshairs of what's going on in the house and in the senate right now. so i'm looking at things like the financial sector. it's been beaten down over the last few years. we all know about all the history that's gone on since 2007, 2008, some of the banks failed, some of the big banks failed and also the problems in europe. a lot of the banks had trouble in europe over the last couple of years. they are starting to rebound now. there's an opportunity for improvement in the financial sector. david: i
a long way. a good year for tech. the vix up above 20. fear of the fiscal cliff and traders saying, all right, we have this idea of a deal getting done baked into the markets, but maybe that's going to unravel a little bit. barnes and noble share, stock up more than 6 #% as i speak. the news is both good and bad. bad news first. they say the holiday period and sales trends will not meet expectations, and the reason for that is the nook business at the same time peerson investing a lot of money in the nook business so two pieces of news affecting the stock today, but it is a winner. look at that volume. pretty good. back to you. dagen: thank you, lauren. two hours to go until an 11th hour meeting between washington and the leaders. any kind of compromise? rich edson's live on capitol hill with up-to-the-minute developments. rich, what do you know? >> republicans anticipating or expecting president obama and democrats to offer a fiscal cliff deal, perhaps a scaled back proposal, but, still, no indication that's going to happen this afternoon. the senate is in session. the house returns su
falling off the fiscal cliff will get us to do the really hard work that needs to be done. >> adam, in the recesses of your most con spear tospicon-- con spespir conspiretorial mind, people are going to lose jobs if we cut government spending and nobody wants to lose jobs. on the other hand they all know, by them, in washington there has to be cuts and it's easier for them, it's the conspiracy talking. >> what's wrong with going over the cliff. >> such wonders and-- >> the world is not going to end. >>, but you and i have jobs and some people will lose them. >> some of them. >> it will force coping to make the hard choices we need to make. david: hold on a second though. the one, the only thing that could raise revenue significantly is growth. i think everybody, republicans and democrats, one thing they agree on is that growth. that could increase revenue by hundreds of billions, not just tens of billions, and if everybody gets a tax increase, shibani, will likely go into recession in any we'll have negative growth and that will mean even worse of a deficit. >> if you start to cut
something about fiscal cliff, and then we'll move on that news, but traders are saying if we get a deal done, we'll see the market take off. we have not seen a santa claus rally this december, unfortunately, and, in fact, the nasdaq lower. stocks lower, by the way. here's the new york stock exchange, three stocks trading down for every one trading up. another thing trading up a the vix index. it's 20.18. the vix has traded below the two decade average, and that's not happened this month. we broke that trend. we have an uptick in the vix now. adam, back to you. adam: the question of the day, are we closing in on the deadline and potential plan to avert the fiscal cliff, about this afternoon's meeting between the leaders, and expectations between a deal are not running as high as they were back in november. remember this? >> i believe we can do this, avert the fiscal cliff that is right in front of us today. >> this is not something we are going to wait until the last day of december to get it done. adam. adam: proof words are cheap. it's the end of diecious, and absolutely nothing was done. w
of january and figure out a way to extend and get that done at that point. the fiscal cliff remains, the woes remain, the worry and uncertainty remain on wall street which makes it hard for wall street to take off. it leave the wild card and that is not a good thing for the stock market. today is a lighter day of trading. we have a long weekend, the first is another day off. the dow jones industrials are 13,106 so dropped 0.4% and can be nasdaq ntsb down 1/2%. let's take a look at zynga. this is a name we follow and zynga has been crushed this year down 75% but the day getting a pop, there has been talk about real time gaming sites over in the united kingdom. so up 3.5% today for zynga. dennis: thank you. getting the blame for much of the downturn in the dow this morning, retail sales coming in at disappointing low levels. shibani: they're cutting prices in order to make up some of the lost shopping during the week and frankly during the year. adam shapiro joining us with more. a lot of times we see the high end and hold off during the holidays versus the low end. are there any winners this y
? >> oh, absolutely. if the fiscal cliff, if we go off of it, i think we will see crude oil prices come down substantially. my thought is though if we don't do that, if we have a short-term fix, that you will see a lot of hot money come back into the market and park itself in commodities and oil is always a favorite. so if you're rooting for the fiscal cliff, you might be rooting for lower gas prices, but you're probably rooting for lower unemployment, you know, lower income and a lot of other things as well. dagen: tom, if you're rooting for the giants, i know it was a rough day, but if it makes you feel any better, if you're a jets fan, they're a whole lot worse. >> they do. it is time to adopt a team. i think i'm going to go with the packers this year. dagen: i have always stayed sort of loyal to the redskins. they are having a good year so i don't have to be ashamed. i can just pull out my redskins sweatshirt instead of wearing my jets sweatshirt. >> as long as the cowboys lose, all is right with the world. dagen: amen brother. thank you tom. >> take care, merry christmas. >> thanks
boehner this afternoon. he also had majority leader harry reid to avoid the fiscal cliff and figure out a passport. he said he is ready and willing to try to get a compromise package done. all at once or stuff like that. but we'll have to wait until after the holiday. the president planning to hold out for the holidays, and congress is out for the holidays. the president saying that putting pressure began on republicans, house republicans, to least extend tax cuts for the middle class. that would be the step by scratch in transit approach and he is speaking to constituents back home who he hopes will give feedback to members of congress while they are there for the holiday to try to get them to agree or get back to the table to negotiate something. gerri: if it were up to me, i say that they work until they get their work done. thank you so much. have a great holiday. gerri: is back to the negotiating table. but have republicans lost their leverage? americans for tax reform, we have matti doppler. let's start with you. how much time can we spend spinning our wheels today we met nancy pe
america up a fiscal cliff of its own making. president obama and the senate back in washington today trying to get some kind of a deal done, that is what they say, but nothing will likely come in time. harry reid spent the day moaning about how bad of a speaker john boehner is good the house is set to return sunday afternoon just one day before the end of the year. nearly 90% of americans will be hit with $500 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts. as we head off a cliff, what can you and your family expect come january 2? president of the american action reform joins me now. so, windows narrowing, what can we expect from here? >> if we literally go on autopilot and they fail to change course, i am worried about the economy. some sharp equity market attractions, consumer confidence has already begun, lots and lots of notices sent out, layoffs scaring people to death. this is not a good news story for anybody looking for a job. gerri: the clock keeps on taking. the cover of "the new york post," pretty amusing. off the fiscal cliff, this is really going to hurt. i think everybody can
talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff, senate democrats have not. stuart: senator harry reid blaming the republicans and republican response as we have done our part, you have got to do something first. political go at it. the wall street journal is reporting president obama called congressional leaders today to discuss the fiscal cliff and what we have got is a political attack from senator harry reid, a defensive move from the republicans, they're going at it and the dow is down 91 points. >> mel brooks at the governor says we have to save our phony baloney jobs. they are not. stuart: we have new numbers just out showing the number of workers on disability, social security disability, has hit a record high, 827,725 as of dec.. joining us is the author of hollywood hypocrites'. we have got social security, record number of people on disability, record deficit for social security, $47 billion a year, almost $1 billion a week flowing out more than coming in and young people, you voted for no change to entitlement, keep on paying f
of this year? the past a spending bill. in order to avert the fiscal cliff and particularly sequestration and in august they pass a tax bill. the senate on but the bills, nothing. the same said he could not give us a subject. gerri: what to bring this up. the president at a press conference really sort of insulting republicans, hoping to come to agreement. listen to the president. >> my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain, whenever you want to call it. with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. maybe we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps . gerri: he could have been a little more conciliatory. >> i guess what i would say is, i would agree with him. i wish we did have a grand bargain. even brad he just will the when the democrats said we needed a grand bargain. certainly paul ryan and i don't know if you remember, he voted against it. plenty of blame to go around. add up think it makes sense to go after just the presiden
are getting very nervous about the fiscal cliff. i was on the show a couple of weeks ago whe and i was not a tn concerned because i thought we would get a deal done.al it is starting to hurt people.ut a good call by you. frankly, gerri, that is what will hurt stocks and investors spending or appetite as s well.e gerri: i love it when you tell me i am right. it often doesn't last very longy i have got to think when we get some real claritytt on this no matter what whether it is good x or bad for investors and taxpayers there will be a little relief in the market, don't you think? >> i think so. clarity, what a lot of people are looking for. both sides of the aisle wants to get something done, it is just what.y we talk about the s&p 500. when you look at corporate profits and the impact, potential changes in the tax relations will be on those company profits, you have to revalue the market somewhere in here which is a lower price again companies trying to have to pay the government more money. gerri: let's talk about 201 201n what we might expect. expectations over the place. citigro
to see. people are really, really tied into the fiscal cliff and worries about washington. if you thought and you questioned it, you shouldn't because the minute that headline broke, look at that market. that's the best we've done. all day long basically since 10:00 a.m.. let's move onto the retailers, all right? i got that out of the way. i really wanted to see because even i began to wonder how tied in are the markets at this time during a holiday week and it showed you. here are the retailers. do-or-die in 2013. according to "the wall street journal" these four names are names to watch. of course we've seen jcpenney, change in management. best buy, will the chairman take over the whole thing? radioshack struggling in electronics. sears, another name right now is to the downside. these are names we will continue to watch and follow closely in 2013. back to you. ashley: very good indeed. thank you very much, nicole. harry reid tanking the markets earlier. but as you say they're talking again maybe in the house on sunday night. so it goes. my next guest has been the head of the nonprofit
that congress is not good except if there's a deadline the reason the fiscal cliff exists we pushed until the end of the year this harmonic convergence of tax increases and spending cuts that are unpalatable to force action. otherwise congress would never get it done. that is speaker boehner's leverage with the debt ceiling. so i think we could do a lot better with the type of people that we're electing to congress, moving away from the extremes and bringing more centrists who can work together. i could give you a long speech about that when you combine those two things, you don't get a great work product. adam: congressman jason altmire, you mentioned harmonic convergence that happens in south florida. you're going to blue cross-blue shield up in tallahassee. you won't get that there. all the best to you, sir. congratulations on your service in congress. wish awe happy new year. >> happy new year, thank you. adam: so we'll get the republican take from senator john barrasso just a lit later in the program. he is kook discussing right now with other members of the republican caucus in the
for a couple weeks. the weeks before the election, everybody talked about the fiscal cliff, and until they really put this deal together fully and for the long term, it's the same thing going out into the next year. ashley: it's interesting. what if nothing is done? what reaction do you expect there, bobby? >> if nothing's done, i think we'll have the reaction like we have now. i don't know if they'll be able to have an announcement before sttcks close at four o'clock, but everybody is sitting with hands tied behind the back for any news. ashley: dan at the cme. dan, i want to talk gold. it's interesting, gold down eight or nine bucks on the day, and you think it's a safe haven play, but is it the profit takers trying to get ahead of higher tax rates to pay? >> it's possible, but i believe people think there's no grand bargain here. if they come to grips with a plan, the plan they talked about is tax rates. obviously, that's good, a nice headline, but that doesn't stop the sequestering io themes in play. if they are in play, that's deflationary, and that's why commodities are challeng
and higher. why? this fiscal cliff, i think we will see a large one-day move coming out of this. up or down. i think that price that the auction players play with setup for one big move and a whole lot of slowness. the asset you are seeing people go for our insurance product. gold is a week dollar play. all of the asset spectators thae are doubling and we will print money. that is why the gold has had such a run-up. shibani: i like this idea and i want to push you on this idea of one big move to the upside, to the downside. what will be the catalyst in what range are you talking about? a 10% move, 20% move, somewhere lower? give me a sense of the range. >> the pop higher is larger than the pop lower. i think pricing for about 30-35 handle move on a rally and possibly a drop if we sell off. we have no deal done, maybe lower, on the upside trouble trd break 1450-1460. we have seen some damage done in the near term and truthfully we would need a secondary catalyst to get us through the 1500 level especially if dividends taxes go higher, which i think is something that will happen. david: worst
debate that is just around the corner. adam: oh, joy of joy. >> if we get some deal with the fiscal cliff which i think we will and our politicians are the worst even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut. they will get this done sometime by january 15th or something like that. if they do not extend the debt ceiling you will have close to armageddon at the end of february and march. adam: spencer i take issue what about our politicians being the worst. our congress is the best congress money can buy. don't forget it. jonathan he is talking about armageddon because of the debt ceiling. i would be terrified if i were not in the market putting my toe in this. there will have to be buying opportunity if people panic and sell. >> which market, adam? that can be the story of 2003 and headlines are obviously scary they have a tendency to sell stocks and buy bonds. that is the safe move. i think the reverse will be true in 2013 and stocks will look quite attractive versus bonds. a highly manipulated market government stepped in and tried to hold interest rates low. once inflation starts t
the question. do you think the president, as a political tactic wants to go off the fiscal cliff so he can come in as a tax cutter? >> oh, i think he does. he wants more revenue. whether he wants to cut those taxes when he is done. when you're running 1.3 trillion dollar deficits you got to have more revenue if you're going to shrink that deficit. liz: gentlemen, why is it okay if george bush wanted to cut taxes and not if president obama wants to cut taxes? at a certain point nobody loves taxes. however, married with spending cuts, why are we not hearing about that dennis kucinich? the spending cuts we need to see as well. >> i vocally opposed the bush tax cuts, look how are you paying for them? we're borrowing money from china to give tax cuts? what is going on? as far as spending look at amount of money wasted in pentagon. wars in iraq before all the bills are in. liz: well, 800,000 pent -- pentagon workers may be cut, may be furloughed due to these spending cuts. the question becomes all of you, maybe that is our version of austerity? maybe we need to feel that pain? >> these cuts were --.
with the fiscal cliff, this russian thing bothers me. it shows the obama administration, you can want -- cannot set policies between u.s. and russia. >> it's a slap in the face. >> you have to be strong. >> everybody's making mountain out of a mole hill here about the meeting that's going on with the president and congressional leaders over h
cleverly brought you back to the fiscal cliff debate because i want to ask you about this. if you look at the expiration of the bush tax cuts, something else that would go way in 11 and a half hours, that's one-and-a-half percent of gdp. that is a big chunk of this nation's economy that goes away in spending power. i know you and i disagree, but we agree here. some of these tax cuts need to stay in place. >> without question, without question. there is certainly a healthy debate to be had about at what level you maintain the tax cuts. so close to seeing all those tax cuts go away. a completely ridiculous congress inflicted wound on the economy that is very difficult to square with reality. certainly i understand that retroactively they can do a lot to restore a lot of the damaged, but we are so close to the purposes -- press the does, it makes no sense. cheryl: last and final question. i know this is tough to answer, but we have had some really good things happen. the recovery, calling it a recovery, the fed that has been more than generous and throwing money into the system. kendis ec
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